Transcript 03-Nov-2010
Is One Life Enough, Dublin Institute of Technology
Content Creation Panel
Overview: Panel members explain their approach to developing content online, giving a brief overview of how they have used their “other life” to develop their business/profile/interests. A moderated group discussion follows, aimed at teasing out the advantages as well as the disadvantages/pitfalls of web media and how to put in place strategies to deal with these.
Is One Life Enough is a one-semester, university-level module, open to Dublin Institute of Technology Students and Dublin Virtually Live Sponsored Second Life Residents; addressing the use of online social networking (Second Life, Facebook, Twitter, blogging, YouTube) to promote themselves professionally. This is the transcript of the first of two scheduled, open-to-the-public, expert-panel discussions.
Audience: 29
Speakers: 6
a – Acuppa Tae (RL: John O’Connor), Head of Art, Design & Printing, Dublin Institute of Technology
l – Locks Aichi (RL: Claudia Igbrude), eLearning Development Officer, Dublin Institute of Technology
t – Traquar Garrigus (RL: Gary Leyden), Owner, VRising
c – Chantal Harvey (RL: Chantal Gerard), Award Winning Videographer
k – Karly Charlton, Owner, Better Living Designs
h – Ham Rambler (RL: John Mahon), Owner, Dublin Virtually Live
Transcript:
Acuppa Tae | Acuppa – welcomes everyone |
a – on immediate left Chantal Harvey, award winning SL movie maker | |
a – next is Karly Charlton founder of Better Living Designs in SL | |
a – next is Ham Rambler founder of Dublin Virtually Live and our host | |
a – he is airplane pilot – coming to us tonight from Cambodia – he will be texting | |
a – Traquar Garrigus (RL Gary Leyden) is our Moderator for tonight | |
a – Gary runs VRising in Dublin RL | |
a – I (Acuppa) will sit with the audience tonight | |
a – also before that welcome guest listeners from other areas of SL tonight | |
a – a few words about this module Virtual Environments – Is One Life Enough | |
a – one semester university level module | |
a – open to DIT students and SL residents | |
a – looking at online social networking | |
a – sl, facebook, twitter, blog, youtube, etc. | |
a – to promote selves professionally | |
a – about halfway through the module – this is the first of two special panel expert sessions | |
a – tonight each panel member has 10 minutes to present selves | |
a – then a general open discussion for everyone to engage with the panel | |
a – most of us have sound – some do not – so site and locks will translate in text as well | |
a – if you have a question during the talks, IM it to Locks Aichi who will feed them to the Moderator at the end of the talk | |
a – hands it over to Traquar (Gary) our moderator | |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – thanks John |
t – good evening | |
t – Acuppa never asks simple questions in these things! | |
t – i.e., “Is One Life Enough?” | |
t – we’ll go straight to the 10 minute conversations by each panelist | |
t – and please everyone participate and IM Locks Aichi with your questions throughout | |
t – start with Chantal Harvey | |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – hello everyone |
c – talk about content creation – sharing and value and use and protection online | |
c – what I do here is create computer generated filming, called “machinima” | |
c – not only virtual worlds but also games | |
c – came to sl 3 years ago from real life television in the Netherlands | |
c – same work in SL as in RL | |
c – filming and editing | |
c – started as fun, slowly – | |
c – became serious – work from website | |
c – people began to come to me with questions and projects | |
c – made my business from there | |
c – content creation for me is filming machinima | |
c – things happen – you start making money – | |
c – then you think questions | |
c- corporate? fun? art? down to earth? | |
c – i like them all | |
c – halloween, etc – | |
c – for me “is one life enough” .. | |
c – virtual platforms, spaces are part of our normal daily life | |
c – i used to resist mobile phones, now i use them all the time | |
c – i think virtual worlds are already now part of our life | |
c – can use for making money if you like – make a plan – just like in real “first” life | |
c- people who make a plan have 60% better chance of achieving goals | |
c – so make a plan – be serious and fun – | |
c – glad to answer questions at end – give info on seeing films etc | |
c – I have spoken world wide on machinima ; | |
c- run a mixed reality film festival runs in real life, web, and second life – 48 hour festival | |
Acuppa Tae | clapping hands |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – thanks Chantal ! |
t – important point, to love and enjoy what you do when creating content | |
t – go to Karly now | |
Karly Charlton | Karly Charlton – hello all ! |
k – I came into sl like others as a newbie | |
k – have tried many experiences here | |
k – started with computer graphics in ’78 | |
k – with oil company | |
k – had degree in education from university – enjoyed computer graphics | |
k – as personal computers and internet came in, kept up with those and also became professional photographer | |
k – catalogs, weddings, etc. | |
k – but it was my children (university and high school now) who got me into this ! | |
k – the sims city games | |
k – EA Games invited me to become a beta tester – that was my first taste of a virtual world | |
k – meeting other (real) people, other locations, socially interact | |
k – to progress in a virtual world | |
k – started a store; cooperated on warehousing etc. | |
k – but that virtual world became aged; and Second Life was coming in | |
k – friends encouraged me to move from Sims Online to Second Life | |
k – to make men’s clothing | |
k – so that’s how I started in SL | |
k – it was a challenge as a newbie to become accustomed | |
k – often went naked (unintentionally) just to change shoes | |
k – have a slide show of things I’ve done to show you | |
k – sets up screen | |
k – met a friend who ran Snail Races and such | |
k – we decided to have a Toga Party – but there were no togas! | |
k – so I made some for friends and still sell them today (see picture ) | |
k- i created a market for them | |
k – there were dance clubs, parties, and date places | |
k – so I approached club owners and gave them things to give out as prizes | |
k – if they would hold a toga party | |
k – this picture is a toga fashion show | |
k – had both men’s and women’s toga | |
k – by today’s standards they are primitive | |
k – so that was a start | |
k – making clothing | |
k – i could make it out of sl then import it (textures) | |
k – then i started working with “prims” learning through tutorials, like everyone else | |
k – furniture, houses, jewelry etc | |
k – started to sell homes | |
k – furniture, offices | |
k – then met another friend | |
k – asked me to build an entire sim from scratch | |
k – terraforming, designing, buildings, scripting, furnishings, everything | |
k – did it with one partner and some resource scripters | |
k – took 3 months | |
k – after that friend asked if I’d stay on as sim manager | |
k – be a contact person for his clients | |
k – he allows his clients to use the sim (Association Island) for meetings | |
k – support, fundraising, etc. | |
k – people coming into SL for the first time | |
k – extremely rewarding experience | |
k – from start (togas for fun) to current role consultant | |
k – was an SL Mentor as were many | |
k – I like being consultant and teacher | |
k – some more pictures here of builds I’ve made | |
k – still have the one business partner many years now | |
k – some office interiors here | |
k – executive office – wanted a private skybox | |
k – here a guest meeting room | |
k – the island that i manage now accepts public requests for meetings | |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – thanks Karly! |
Acuppa Tae | clapping hands |
Locks Aichi | thanks to both the girls… |
t – next up is Ham Rambler | |
Ham Rambler | Hi everyone |
Sorry but I’m stuck with chat (the connections in Phnom Penh are not the best) | |
AND | |
I’m a slow typer | |
so I’ll summarise.. | |
firstly….as Sitearm mentioned I am an airline pilot..not a computer person | |
I got into digital media way back in the CompuServe forum days | |
and developed into running and managing a Pilots website called PPRuNe.org (Professional Pilots rumour network) | |
this quickly became very popular..and even now is regularly quoted by the media | |
being very Internetty..I took an interest in the VW developments | |
and came into SL over 5 years ago | |
luckily, I don’t need to tell you a lot about what I do in here as you are enjoying it in the surroundings | |
but I took Dublin, and branched it out into other Media. | |
I used traditional Media like newsprint and TV to gain exposure for the project here | |
developed ( with help from Sitearm and the rest of the team) a Web presence | |
and now have a facebook profile for the Pub…and have started Blogging myself | |
so I took a rounded view of engaging with every new digital ” fad” and using them to promote the project here. | |
Over the years I have had a good level of corporate sponsorship, but that has died away a bit at the moment | |
I still mainly consider this as a huge social experiment, based on the concept of an Irish pub | |
in my travels, around the world, I usually check out Irish pubs | |
so i know what makes them interesting and fun places to socialise | |
I am using this SL project to see if that works digitally.. | |
and so far, I have to say..it has been a huge success | |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – thank you Ham! |
Ham Rambler | I will continue to branch the project out around all Social and Digital media and I hope we can be a good example of embracing all aspects of new Social media |
thanks | |
Acuppa Tae | clapping hands |
Locks Aichi | thanks Ham |
Traquar Garrigus | t – interesting how Ham weaves pubs into social media ! |
t – logs of questions coming in | |
t- people do in virtual life what they do in first life | |
t – Chantal – a lot of your machinima tell stories | |
t – would you discuss that ? | |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – yes |
c- machinima tells a story – all of mine | |
c – about virtual worlds and also ANY story you want | |
c – make a movie, news items, video bloggers, art | |
c – education , language | |
c – university – on their websites, fund raising | |
c- a story can do many things | |
c – machinima is Second Life’s best ambassador | |
c- YouTube is where many people go | |
c – and many machinima are on YouTube | |
c – machinima has brought real life filmers to SL | |
c – one of my aims to bring it out of SL to RL | |
c – it is all ONE life | |
c – and can be so for many more people | |
c – waiting for the first major film to come out and go mainstream | |
c – not long now | |
Locks Aichi | yeah |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – Karly – you’ve built a lot of places and community and people part of it? |
Karly Charlton | Karly – yes |
k – agree it’s one life but you may have more than one identity | |
k – virtual goods to express mood and identity | |
k – and services to offer others to take advantage of SL | |
k – the difference is…… | |
k – there’s still a real person you inside | |
k – SL gives a larger platform, community, world in which to do your thing – sell, build, | |
k – use this world for social, entertainment, business, etc | |
Acuppa Tae | Our classroom was built by Karly! |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – another question – the time it took you to learn, and how? |
Karly Charlton | Karly – lot of tutorials, many more things now |
k – online; scripting | |
k – best thing to do is friend someone already good at it | |
Acuppa Tae | just like real life! |
Ham Rambler | I’m still learning.. |
Ham Rambler | and I use the social SIDE OF second life to meet and engage with people |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – for Ham. |
t – most unusual place you found for an Irish Pub? | |
t – NOT counting virtual world | |
Ham Rambler | hmm..well a few years ago I toured South America….and bizarrely..found a city WITHOUT an Irish pub |
but I gather there is one, high in the Mountains near Lima | |
Acuppa Tae | Wow! |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – teeing up next topic; views on content property rights |
t – Chantal | |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – yes |
c – re copyright for machinima it’s a big problem | |
c – for example using a song to go with your video | |
c – being allowed to use the music | |
c – even if not using commercially | |
c – have to have permission | |
c – for machinima I always put my name and logo in – or watermark | |
c- even in SL have to have owners permission for sim | |
Karly Charlton | Like photography |
Acuppa Tae | and just like making movies in RL |
Sitearm Madonna | c – I can create film but not music ! |
Ham Rambler | I ran into a series of challenges with Intellectual property rights, especially when, in the course of having Dublin built, I used signage from the real city |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – Karly? |
Karly Charlton | Karly – yes |
k – well said by Chantal | |
k – more issues include “copybots” | |
k – I am a member of designer protection groups | |
k – can tag your textures, keep records etc, but can’t protect completely | |
k – a friend lamented once that anyone can steal the concept / feel / heart of a design | |
k – when i build things that will go outside of SL … | |
k – have to be sure all textures etc. that I use from others have resell licenses | |
k – scripts etc. | |
k – full permissions, and creator’s license | |
k – can be handicaps to builders | |
Acuppa Tae | again… just like the Real World! |
IP issues are always an issue… | |
Chantal Harvey | yes |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – Ham |
Ham Rambler | yes…and I have also had some textures stolen and used elsewhere |
Traquar Garrigus | t – Ham had similar issues e.g., famous Dublin landmarks |
t – mostly due to misunderstandings – not commercial but context | |
t – we’ve talked about SL content – do you create content elsewhere? | |
Karly Charlton | Karly – yes |
k – still do photography work | |
k – now also in another virtual world | |
k – all new tools, new platform; starting from scratch | |
k – slow to re-start elsewhere | |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – now to the audience – send in some more questions to Locks |
Acuppa Tae | I liked the suggestion that we should enjoy what we do! |
Ham Rambler | Everything from Blogs to facebook presents challenges on Intellectual property. Photos can be copied from anywhere on the web, for example |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – to panelists are you creating this for yourself primarily, your audience? |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – good question |
c – I’m creating to get better, grow | |
c – close to 100 machinima now | |
c – but once you’ve made it you put it on youtube | |
c – the hits your babies get… vs. the hits others get.. oi! | |
c – you sometimes think the numbers are important but maybe not | |
c – just do good work | |
Acuppa Tae | very interesting point, Chantal |
Ham Rambler | everything I have done digitally is about growing my social network and meeting people |
Ham Rambler | In my travels I get to meet so many people I have first met through new Digital media |
Acuppa Tae | and Ham meets people first in the cyberspace and then later in RL |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – have you seen your audience changing on social? |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – yes |
c – more using Twitter and Facebook | |
Karly Charlton | Karly – have not seen Twitter and Facebook affect SL work; |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – have any of you used your SL work to promote your RL work? |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – yes |
c – my avatar is my brand | |
Acuppa Tae | Personal branding |
c – my RL first name is Chantal but my SL last name is Harvey | |
c – great tool | |
Ham Rambler | not really…my RL work is mostly about travel |
Karly Charlton | Karly – agree |
k – your avatar is your brand, your logo | |
Ham Rambler | but my Avatar is far more famous than the RL me |
k – Karly not my real name but she’s got her own profile and friends and fame | |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – apart from name – is your avatar just an expression of your real safe? |
Karly Charlton | Karly – only in a limited way – not personal |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – different for me – I mix both |
c – plus I want sl to go rl | |
c – it’s like a mobile phone | |
Ham Rambler | yes of course….it is a piece of artistry ..and quite often an expression of aspiration. I wish I was as good looking as ham! |
Acuppa Tae | are our RL and SL and other brands merging? |
Ham Rambler | for me, certainly |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – your experience in SL, how has it contributed to your ROL creation, money |
Karly Charlton | Karly – it’s supplemented our family income nicely |
k – music lessons, band trips for kids | |
k – enough income not to seek work outside home – very flexible work | |
k – no commute! | |
k – completely part time and chosen | |
Ham Rambler | the lines between real and virtual blur…I socialise openly in both..with a lot of crossover |
Ham Rambler | I can’t say i have made a lot of money out of it..but my circle of people I call good friends has grown dramatically |
Acuppa Tae | the crossover is very interesting…. |
…and increasing as we become more comfortable with online networking | |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – same for me |
c – paid for my new computer, high end, from machinima entirely | |
c – also trips to speak | |
c – not enough to live from though! | |
Karly Charlton | Karly – covers small business expenses |
Ham Rambler | being invited to speak at the opening of the IBM Ireland Innovation centre was a real crossover point for me |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – the relationships you’ve made in SL – how important informing your content creation |
Karly Charlton | Karly – very much so – custom work, goals, etc |
k – pleasing the customer | |
k – something they like about you, your work | |
k – self expression plus what people expect | |
k – fun giving them what they asked for plus a little surprise | |
Chantal Harvey | Chantal – totally agree |
c – even corporate ! | |
c – money plus creative challenge | |
Ham Rambler | yes, I agree with Karly, you develop a new level of Customer management |
Traquar Garrigus | Traquar – brings to close – want to thank panel |
t – We (VRising) got involved with Ham few years ago – tremendous community strength – tremendous DIT is here now too – | |
t – Acuppa got it early on – community as well as place | |
t – thank you all for today and now I hand it back to Acuppa – | |
Karly Charlton | *claps* |
Acuppa Tae | Acuppa – thank you Traquar – and thank you for moderating |
a – thank ham, karly, chantal for sharing | |
a – pioneering and interesting experiences | |
a – interesting points for me were. | |
a – people doing what they naturally enjoy doing | |
a – how important for things to be done situated within a community | |
Karly Charlton | Thanks for the honor of joining you today! |
Chantal Harvey | thanks for the invite |
community and culture is important | |
Karly Charlton | and students will gladly meet, sitting on the ground, in a field of flowers! |
Chantal Harvey | yes! |
Ham Rambler | I love it that a participant can show up as a Mammoth..and no-one thinks it strange |
Acuppa Tae | a – was just presenting a paper on this module in France last week |
a – another presenter using Facebook for Columbia College – they spent a lot of money in SL with their own island – and have delivered NO CLASSES in it YET – despite the money spent on a space | |
a – how important it is for DIT to be based in SL in an already existing vibrant community , Dublin Virtually Live | |
a – a lot of texting and IMing, just like in real life | |
a – what we do relies on people, not technology | |
a – meeting people is what makes life interesting | |
a – and on that note brings to an end for today | |
a – thanks to DIT students, guests, panelists, Site, and Locks! | |
a – that’s it we’ll close now – for those going to the local Blarney Stone feel free to carry on ! | |
a – see you next week and goodnight | |
Acuppa Tae | clapping hands |
Locks Aichi | g’night all and thanks to everyone again… |
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